Un ATR-42 cargo de Fedex s'est crashe au Texas ce matin a 4h37 heure locale (11h47 Paris). Il n'y a pas de victimes.
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| Auteur: | Krev [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 19:16 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Crash d'un ATR-42 cargo de Fedex au Texas |
Un ATR-42 cargo de Fedex s'est crashe au Texas ce matin a 4h37 heure locale (11h47 Paris). Il n'y a pas de victimes. http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/27/fedex.crash/index.html
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| Auteur: | falcon6734 [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 19:42 ] |
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En voyant la photo, on peut penser que la sortie de piste est du a la neige. |
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| Auteur: | JOE PILOT [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 19:46 ] |
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La météo actuelle: de Lubbock, Texas , pas d'infos sur contamination piste , mais m^me sur les routes du coin, c'est pas triste semble t-il . KLBB 271553Z 02009KT 1 1/4SM BR OVC007 M08/M11 A3017 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 CIG 005V010 SLP243 T10831106 Je pense qu'il sagit de ce vol là ( Empire Airwys sous contrat Fedex ) provenance Dallas Fort Worth. Les 2 pilotes sont saufs . http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFS8284 une photo d'un ATR 72 , la Cie a aussi des 42 
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| Auteur: | Lowell [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 19:53 ] |
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C'est bien la compagnie Empire Airways. Voici une vidéo des informations du coin. [flycomtube]http://www.flyrelax.com/flvplayer/141.flv[/flycomtube] |
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| Auteur: | JOE PILOT [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 19:58 ] |
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une vidéo juste après l' accident : http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/FedEx- ... bbock.html |
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| Auteur: | falcon6734 [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 20:31 ] |
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A chaque, ou presque a chaque sorti de piste d'un avion de la FedEx. Il prend feu. Deja 2 MD11, d'on un a Memphis. Et maintenant un ATR. |
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| Auteur: | JOE PILOT [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 20:38 ] |
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falcon6734 a écrit: A chaque, ou presque a chaque sorti de piste d'un avion de la FedEx.
Il prend feu. Deja 2 MD11, d'on un a Memphis. Et maintenant un ATR. et au moins un DC 10 ( SWF ou BDL ) Ils transportent massivement du papier ... et du carton d' emballage ... |
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| Auteur: | atr1212 [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 21:56 ] |
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les pilotes sont partis a l'osto?? blessé durant l'evac, simple controle? en tous cas au vu du metar la neige est une des causes.. heuresement plus de peur que de mal, au texas voir une telle météo c'est quant meme surprenant |
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| Auteur: | caledo [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 22:13 ] |
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atr1212 a écrit: ...au texas voir une telle météo c'est quant meme surprenant ...
oui , zont pas vraiment l'habitude et doivent manquer de chasse-neiges .... |
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| Auteur: | JOE PILOT [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 22:35 ] |
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Dallas : KDFW 271853Z 33016KT 2 1/2SM -FZDZ BR OVC008 00/M02 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3 CIG 005V012 SLP201 P0000 T00001017 $ une belle descente de froid sur le Texas ouest ! 
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| Auteur: | caledo [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 22:36 ] |
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Attention à la taille des images.... 
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| Auteur: | JOE PILOT [ Mar 27 Jan 2009 22:38 ] |
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caledo a écrit: Attention à la taille des images....
Désolé,  mais c'est grand l' Amérique !
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| Auteur: | JOE PILOT [ Jeu 29 Jan 2009 09:09 ] |
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Extrait d'un rapport préliminaire du NTSB du 28 Jan : Appareil : ATR 42 N 902 FX Météo : 020 / 11 , 2 SM, plafond 500 ft, bruine givrante Approche : ILS 17 Plan du terrain : 
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| Auteur: | Small NC [ Ven 30 Jan 2009 10:32 ] |
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Neige carbonique ou plutôt carbonisée  . Sources diverses, pprune et Lubbock Online (journal du coin).
D'après Lubbock justement, l'équipage va bien. Citation: Hospital reports crew of FedEx plane in satisfactory condition
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| Auteur: | baade152 [ Mer 27 Avr 2011 15:19 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: Crash d'un ATR-42 cargo de Fedex au Texas |
Le NTSB vient de publier quelques éléments : The crash of a twin turboprop cargo airplane while on approach to landing at Lubbock, Texas, was caused by the flight crew's failure to maintain a safe airspeed, which put the plane into an aerodynamic stall at an altitude too low from which to recover " inacapacité de l' équipage de maintenir une vitesse sûre, ce qui a mis l' avion dans une situation de décrochage aérodynamique à basse altitude, empêchant la récupération " . Facteurs contributifs : - fatigue - faible CRM. The aircraft, which had departed Ft. Worth about 84 minutes before the accident occurred, encountered icing conditions while en route to Lubbock. And although the airplane accumulated some ice during the flight that degraded its performance, the NTSB determined that the aircraft coul have landed safely had the airspeed been maintained. During the approach into Lubbock, at about 1400 feet above the ground and about 90 seconds from the runway, the captain indicated a flight control problem saying, "We have no flaps." Although the crewmembers had been trained to perform a go-around and refer to a checklist if a flap problem occurred during an approach, the captain chose to continue the approach as he attempted to troubleshoot the flap anomaly while the first officer flew the plane. Neither flight crewmember adequately monitored the airspeed, which decayed to the extent that the stick shaker activated, which warned of an impending aerodynamic stall. The captain continued the unstabilized approach even though he received additional stick shaker activations and an aural "pull up" warning from the terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS). At that point, the plane was descending at a rate of over 2,000 ft per minute. Although procedures for responding to either the stick shaker or the TAWS warning require the immediate application of maximum engine power, the captain did not apply maximum power until 17 seconds after the TAWS warning. Seconds after maximum power was applied, the airplane entered an aerodynamic stall and crashed. "We know that flight crews can find themselves in dynamic situations, like the one in this accident, where they have to make rapid decisions often within seconds, said NTS Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman. "These high workload and high stress situations often manifest at the end of long days long nights or in bad weather, which is why following established procedures and using good crew resource management is critical." The NTSB also uncovered significant issues related to icing. Empire Airlines had dispatched the airplane into icing conditions that were outside the airplane's certification envelope. Although this practice was not prohibited by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the NTSB has longstanding concerns about operations in freezing drizzle/freezing rain and as a result of this investigation made a safety recommendation to address the issue. Among the nine safety recommendations that the NTSB made to the FAA were: improve crew resource management training to encourage first officers to more assertively voice their concerns and teach captains to develop a leadership style that supports first officer assertiveness; prohibit operators of pneumatic boot-equipped airplanes from dispatching them into icing conditions that are outside of those that the airplane was certified for; educate pilots and dispatch personnel on the dangers of flight in freezing precipitation; develop a method to quickly communicate flight information regarding the number of persons aboard and the presence of hazardous materials to emergency responders; provide guidance on monitoring and ensuring the operability of emergency response and mutual aid gates during winter operations; require all operators of ATR 42 and ATR 72 series airplanes to be equipped with an aircraft performance monitoring system; improve flight simulator fidelity to more accurately model aerodynamic degradations resulting from airframe ice accumulation and ensure that flight crews are trained on them; and require all ATR 42 aircraft to be equipped with a flap asymmetry annunciator light. Encore une fois un problème de givrage et dégradations des performances aérodynamiques ...non reconnus par l' équipage . Noter la remarque su l' " emphase " ou accent que devrait mettre le copi dans de telles situations . |
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